Larnaca Conferences 2021 - Content Record - Conference 2: Economy

Serving a documentation for the Larnaca Conferences in 2021 we provide you an overview with the panelists data, chat excerpts and the recordings of the panel discussion as well as the breakout sessions.

Sunday, Nov. 7: "Economy"

Panelists, Moderators and Session-Facilitators

as shown in the graphic above in order from left to right

  • Regina Brand ↗︎ and Dr. Jan Bellermann ↗︎, Founders of the Conscious Leadership Academy

  • Dr. Petra Künkel, executive board member of the International Club of Rome ↗︎

  • Joanna Liu, LinKeYou, China

  • Clara Wong, Executive Coach and Facilitator of Transfromation as translator for Joanna Liu ↗︎

  • Peter Matthies, United States, Conscious Business Institute ↗︎

  • Gitta Peyn, systems researcher and cyberneticist, co-developer of FORMWELT and WELTFORM, founder of the FORMWELTen Institute ↗︎


  • Rebekka Manos, Consultant for Leadership, Transformation and Mindfulness ↗︎

  • Jürgen Große-Puppendahl, seasoned moderator and considered as an organisational and societal catalyst ↗︎

Chat-Expert & Moderator

  • Dominik Ortelt, Expert on Learning and Monozukuri ↗︎

  • Robert Fuhrmann, curious conversational partner who creates spaces for change through his questions 

Session Facilitation

  • Kristin Eissfeldt, executive search consultant, coach and facilitator ↗︎

Technical Realisation

  • Matthias Steines, Conference Production ↗︎

  • Jan Weinkauff, Websites ↗︎

  • Dominik Ortelt, Video Editing ↗︎


Prior to every panel discussion and following backstage sessions everyone was obliged to watch the keynote.

Panel Discussion Record

Breakout Session With Dr. Petra Künkel & Joanna Liu

Breakout Session With Regina Brand & Dr. Jan Bellermann

(not yet avaiable)

Breakout Session With Peter Matthies & Gitta Peyn

Chat Records

Audience Chat

This chat was accompanied by the chat expert and moderator and was attended by the audience not taking part in the backstage sessions

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 14:59:17 GMT):
Hi everybody!

kourosh.ghaffari (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:00:04 GMT):
Hello everybody (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:00:31 GMT):
Hello to everyone in this Chat of Larnaca Conference No. 2 - Economy My name is Robert Fuhrmann and I am your chat moderator in this conference chat room for the next 120 minutes. My role is to observe the process, interactions, contents, time, etiquette, to keep the broad frame of the subject that is economy in focus and to moderate assumingly a lively, creative, and intelligent process. I am committed to neutrality and not contributing to content. Who is in the room here: Please say hello to the participants here by writing your first and last name in the chat or by first name and abbreviated last name, e.g. Michael.S Now, it is now your arena, immerse yourself into the process.. You have listened to the keynote by Dr. Petra Künkel and the following contributions of the panelists: Starting the chat dialogue: - What is very much alive in you regarding the subject matter economy and what has been said? - What wasn't mentioned which you find as extremely important to highlight? ...? At the end: Thank you all for ...And there is one last important opportunity I'd like to point out: Donations are substantially contributing to build FORMWELT Online: With your financial support, children and adults worldwide will enjoy the platform FORMWELT Online for intelligent, collaborative, systemic togetherness.Based on FORMWELT, every user learns directly and incidentally to think systemically and to communicate in an understanding-oriented way.Please follow the link to the website and donate. Thank you very much!

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:01:46 GMT):
Hello everyone, and nice to meet you. My name is Dominik Ortelt, and I am your chat expert today. Today, my roles include assisting in discovering possible blind spots and later bringing your contributions and thoughts to the breakout sessions and vice versa. The Larnaca conferences thrive on the interconnection of different perspectives. I would be happy to get a good discourse going with the help of your perspectives and thereby achieve a multi-dimensional view on the topics addressed. Enjoy the conversations, and feel free to start the discourse.

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:07:34 GMT):
While the introduction is running and you watched the Keynote, my very first question is, what do you think while looking at this picture shared by Petra during her Keynote? How could we achieve the various questions asked, and what may be missing looking at it?

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:10:13 GMT):
I find it refreshing to read nothing about growth rate as criteria

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:11:28 GMT):
on the other hand there seem to be quite a lot "red" words and I ask myself, where to start, where to focus (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:11:29 GMT):
Can you share with the community why you consider this as refreshing?

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:12:06 GMT):
Thanks for asking Mr Fuhrmann

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:12:08 GMT):
because Economic success is typically connected with growth as the main key indicator

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:12:57 GMT):
here I see other indicators like innovation, adaptability, localization, and so on

christian.trutz (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:14:42 GMT):
hello everyone, this is Christian Trutz (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:14:55 GMT):
Key indicators. What do you think? Why are they important? And why do you think innovation, adaptibility and so on are becoming more important?

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:15:19 GMT):
[ ]( When you say that you see other indicators like the one you mentioned, what do you mean by that? Are they directly connected to the main key indicator you mentioned, less or more important? I would love to see you elaborate a little more on that and what you think is a way forward considering the various challenge we are facing.

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:16:21 GMT):
Hello and welcome @christian.trutz

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:18:14 GMT):
I think they define another frame of reference... it seems we need to recontextualize economic success... and those "soft" criterias seem to make a play for this other frame (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:22:11 GMT):
What is with the part of society who doesn't see a reason to recontextualize economic success, who stick to the traditional way of doing business. What do you think? How is it possible to develop a "critical mass" for a change?

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:22:41 GMT):
as a Social Worker who has worked with people in Hartz IV I totally agree with Gittas statement here

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:23:20 GMT):
great statement, really touches me in depth

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:24:30 GMT):
mine too. its sad that poverty may even accelerate more exploitation. what do you think?

bluhumi (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:24:41 GMT):
[ ]( me too

bluhumi (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:26:02 GMT):
we need something like unconditional basic income

christian.trutz (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:27:32 GMT):
Yes Gitta, we are free when everyone is free.

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:27:52 GMT):
[ ]( I think economy is the core game which fosters dependencies and exploitation... how can we uncouple economic action from classic power plays? Long story short: I have no idea, Robert :) (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:29:17 GMT):
Thats why we gathered here, to think and discuss about paths and ideas to achieve this. :-)

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:29:37 GMT):

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:31:38 GMT):
Nice thought by Jan: We are playing expectation games and want them fulfilled...

kathleen.engel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:34:37 GMT):
Yes, I agree with Gitta's statement as well. absolutely. I have Hartz4 experience and now work in the social sector, support and care for people in need of care and receive supplementary benefits from the Jobcenter. Which means, despite a full time job I have to do again and again with the "demands" of the Jobcenter. I find it particularly challenging that my employers, how do I put it, ideas, suggestions I make are rejected in favor of my clients/patients. When I bring in the social thought, I am thwarted. The apparent social thought is only a service, which is provided and brings money. Sorry, I use Deepl for the translation :-) In conclusion, I think that the BGE is indispensable, because then I can continue to do my job, independent of both employer and the Hartz4. Translated with (free version) (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:35:54 GMT):
[ ]( in the traditional world playing around and try out things is not welcome... that will be a harsh ride to establish

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:36:54 GMT):
Business has to adopt responsibility! :muscle: (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:39:14 GMT):
Thank you for your comment and openess Ms Engel!

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:40:19 GMT):
my question to that one would be, how do you get someone to take responsibility if you have been indoctrinated for so long? the paradigms are connected to habits and we aren't particularly good in breaking them - so how can leader become the driver in such corrupt and short-term thinking world? wouldn't it require the will to start educating and development again? you may want to find out how much time leaders and CEO´s really spending on education then.

matthias.steines (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:42:52 GMT):
letting go of old beliefs and ways of thinking is key. In organisations most of the time, processes and tools are ADDED but nothing gets removed

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:42:55 GMT):
@kathleen.engel Yes the Jobcenter - in direct hierarchy to the Bundesagentur für Arbeit - has very questionable ideas and paradigms... it takes the disobiedience of individual colleagues in the Jobcenter - sometimes supported by their team leaders - to help the recipients of Hartz in their life struggle (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:43:51 GMT):
Is change (broad-based) possible without experiencing a close and direct effect on the own person? Is a economy crisis needed to accept a change in doing business?

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:45:33 GMT):
I think - and this is supported by my own research over 20 years - Change is always somewhat threatening and painful. On all levels - even for organisations

franziska.seibel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:46:22 GMT):
Maybe I'm thinking too small here, but I think it would make a difference if people trained to recognize good ideas independent of big names and power. We should orient ourselves more on ideas and less on people. I believe that to do this, people should be given a little more time to make decisions and give feedback, and people should be given the opportunity to contribute according to their strengths. If, as part of a team, I know that we all sometimes tend to confuse charisma with competence, perhaps my attitude will be different. Just one person in a team who is aware of this can change the direction a bit.

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:46:41 GMT):
Learning is painful, no doubt on that and we also know from neuroscience that neuroplasticity is real.

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:47:06 GMT):
[ ]( Word!

franziska.seibel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:48:26 GMT):
Sometimes it may not be about implementing good ideas at all, but preventing bad ideas.

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:48:28 GMT):
[ ]( Do you talk about emancipation, risk taking and mobilizing ideas - so to support people to test out their own ideas?

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:49:31 GMT):
@franziska.seibel I agree with that - it´s no small thinking. It´s about recognizing your own options and possibilities.

kathleen.engel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:49:48 GMT):
yes Michael, but not only the job center, I also see employers in the social sector there. It should not be that people in need of help, whether H4 recipients or those with a care degree, elderly, seniors, sick people, etc. become a means for companies to generate money without considering the ideas of the employees and the needs of people in need.

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:51:59 GMT):
yes @kathleen.engel my sister works in senior care... we were joking these days about singing on the balcony for her... NOTHING has changed... the social sector per se is in a precarious state

kathleen.engel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:53:55 GMT):
@franziska.seibel how can this become possible? I dinstance myself from the team and also from the company management and concentrate on my work. So far, this is the best for me to help the needy people in the best possible way. The structures and social structures of the company is not acceptable for me. (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:55:55 GMT):
Wouldn't you agree that the situation in the care sector has become more present in the media and the public recognition. Isn't that a step forward?

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 15:58:36 GMT):
[ ]( Tell that to my sister ;) Tell that to the colleagues in intensive care units at the hospital. Since the start of the pandemic it´s the same as before... there are no quick programs like for TUI

kathleen.engel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:00:03 GMT):
That may be Robert, but it is only one dimension. In real working life, media attention plays a minor role.

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:01:19 GMT):
although it is true, that this is a first step

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:01:44 GMT):
otherwise everything Friday For Future is doing would be futile (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:01:51 GMT):
I mentioned only one small sign. I do not evaluate it. My mother runs a mobile care company for elderly and handicapped person. Thanks @michael.gerstner, thats what I wanted to point out.

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:03:07 GMT): same here - just wanted to spike the energy level for a moment :D (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:03:19 GMT):
Peter is mentioning something very interesting here. The surrounding, environment is leading people to their behaviour. What do you think about his ideas?

kathleen.engel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:04:45 GMT):
What can we do to provide a different, new structure for people in the nursing-elderly sector? What can be done to support those working in the low-wage sector? Franziska Seibel has made a proposal for local and global contacts. I thought that was good, it was related to the climate, but I see a good idea here as well. Establishing local contacts...

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:06:09 GMT):
[ ]( hmmm... yes and no... at the end of the line there is a deciscion to be made... and this has to be individual...

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:06:26 GMT):
I am impressed listening to Petra how she brings topics together

kathleen.engel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:07:21 GMT):
I mean something like citizen advocacy for serious thinking people on the job, regarding climate, refugees etc....

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:07:40 GMT):
@dominik.ortelt in den Panel bitte

franziska.seibel (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:17:46 GMT):
Would a quota in the healthcare industry perhaps be good and realistic? I'm not talking about a quota for women, but a quota for nursing professions in relation to administrative professions. At some point, people only manage each other. And that's getting worse and worse, because we haven't all learned yet that we should stop managing people and start managing data.

michael.gerstner (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:19:27 GMT):
Thanks and @dominik.ortelt for summarizing our thoughts here (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:19:48 GMT):
Thanks all for your thoughts!

christian.trutz (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:31:35 GMT):
Where can I find the breakout sessions?

matthias.steines (Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:34:21 GMT):
We are please to invite everyone from the chat, who is interested to join the panelist and other attendees in the backstage zoom 

Breakout Chat With Peter Matthies & Gitta Peyn

17:53:15 Von Axel Zimmer : @gitta are you talking about universal basic income?
17:53:24 Von Dominik Ortelt : yes
17:53:27 Von Axel Zimmer : thx
17:55:04 Von Kristin Eissfeldt :
18:00:47 Von Iulian Bondari : Ițll share this, in silence... “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.” ~ Albert Einstein
18:01:04 Von Kristin Eissfeldt : thank you Iulian
18:02:36 Von Peter Matthies :
18:16:41 Von Gitta an Kristin Eissfeldt(Direktnachricht) : Monozukuri
18:16:41 Von Kristin Eissfeldt : Monozukuri
18:18:21 Von Iulian Bondari : As a psychological approach, what is your opinion on using Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) in employee training.
18:18:42 Von Axel Zimmer : Since we cannot all be thinking of the state of the world in every action we do day to day, how do we help eachother just make sense in our day to day lives
18:19:07 Von Dominik Ortelt : just wanted to thank you for this session - youre welcome to connect via LinkedIn - Dominik Ortelt
18:19:12 Von Axel Zimmer : thx
18:19:16 Von Ulrike Gregor : There are initiatives that focus on „opportunities“, but I don’t see they’re THAT successful. So do they only work in a smaller group of people?
18:19:20 Von Naho Iguchi : Connectivity and affinity to nature is the key
18:25:03 Von Peter Matthies :
18:54:15 Von Barbara Zuber : Thank you for this session! I am sorry but I have to leave . Have a good time