Larnaca Conferences 2021 - Content Record - Conference 6: Pandemics and metacrises

Serving a documentation for the Larnaca Conferences in 2021 we provide you an overview with the panelists data, chat excerpts and the recordings of the panel discussion as well as the breakout sessions.

Sunday, Nov. 21: "Pandemics and metacrises"

Panelists, Moderators and Session-Facilitators

as shown in the graphic above in order from left to right

  • Marios Kyriazis, Scientific Director 

  • Dr. Stavros Malas, Professor of Mammalian Developmental Neuroscience and Genetics at the University of Nicosia Medical School

  • Ilia Stambler, Director of Research and Development at Shmuel Harofe Geriatric Medical Center

  • Gitta Peyn, systems researcher and cyberneticist, co-developer of FORMWELT and WELTFORM, founder of the FORMWELTen Institute ↗︎


  • Michael Gerstner, Social Worker ↗︎

  • Barbara Zuber, co-founder of the school-of-facilitating ↗︎

Chat-Expert & Moderator

  • Mark Damon Harvey, D&I consultant and workshop leader at Transculture, Co-founder of ↗︎

  • Patrick Kappeler, organizational consultant and narrative architect ↗︎

Session Facilitation

  • Hans Kluge, creative nerd, agile project manager and systemic coach ↗︎

Technical Realisation

  • Matthias Steines, Conference Production ↗︎

  • Jan Weinkauff, Websites ↗︎

  • Dominik Ortelt, Video Editing ↗︎


Prior to every panel discussion and following backstage sessions everyone was obliged to watch the keynote.

Panel Discussion Record

Breakout Session With Dr. Marios Kyriazis, Mark Damon Harvey, Gitta Peyn & Ilia Stambler

Chat Records

Audience Chat

This chat was accompanied by the chat expert and moderator and was attended by the audience not taking part in the backstage sessions

wolfgang.stief (Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:58:06 GMT):
I just watched the keynote on pandemics in preparation for tomorrows conference. Towards the end, Dr. Stavros Malas mentioned a talk by some former EU commissioner about to come back to more manual work and less machine work. Either I didn't get the name of this person or Mr. Malas even didn't mention a name. Does somebody of you have a pointer to either the name of this person or maybe even the talk, Mr. Malas mentioned?

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:38:39 GMT):
Hi Wolfgang, I didn`t get a name either, as I understood he didn`t mention one. Our Chat Moderator Patrick could take this question into the panel later

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:46:12 GMT):
Thx @wolfgang.stief and @kristin.eissfeldt! Good idea! I'm gonna take that question into the panel later.

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:49:36 GMT):
Welcome dear participants, I am your Chat Coordinator today. If you didn't find the link to the live-stream right away, here it is:

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:50:12 GMT):
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to hit the keys!

gerhard.berthold (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:02:03 GMT):
great, thanks!

gerhard.berthold (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:03:51 GMT):
Should the stream already work?

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:05:02 GMT):
Hi Gerhard, great to have you on board. No, it seems as if there`s a .... now :-)

matthias.steines (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:05:55 GMT):
@all Live steam has started!

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:06:36 GMT):
I guess we had a little hiccup in the system :grinning:

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:07:13 GMT):
Here we go with the padlet:

michael.gerstner (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:09:37 GMT):

michael.gerstner (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:09:46 GMT):
Link zum Padlet - enjoy!

sabine.born-hofmann (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:21:27 GMT):
Mark Damon Harvey does also have experience in Permaculture

sabine.born-hofmann (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:38:20 GMT):
Gitta, in this context of the need of handling complexity: are there ideas of introducing FORMWELT to teenagers/schools especially in Germany?

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:39:58 GMT):
Thx for the question, @sabine.born-hofmann

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:41:19 GMT):
Personally, I also see illness as an opportunity for development or attitude towards one's own life. When I got cancer at the age of 25, the fight against this disease was of course important at first, but the influence on my further life, i.e. my inner attitude towards life, was much more influential and important for the rest of my life. What I want to express with this is, shouldn't personal crises as well as meta-crises also be seen as opportunities? Or in other words, without crises, deficits, changes, attitudes etc. are not noticed. Are crises then not even necessary for the further development of a society? In this sense, can crises be seen as a positive stimulus that, if possible, leads to new thinking?

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:43:14 GMT):
Thx, @andreas.schwietzke for the question. I'm gonna take it to the panelists

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:47:26 GMT):
Dear participants, we would like to invite you to the breakout sessions with Dr. Marios Kyriazis & Dr. Stavros Malas and with Gitta Peyn & Ilia Stambler. You can find the links to the sessions here:

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:47:59 GMT):
Last but not least: Want to support FORMwelt and systemic education worldwide?

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:49:06 GMT):
Stavros Malas is not with us unfortunately, but Mark Damon Harvey is. As Gitta decided there is only one Breakout, it is the room of Michael Gerstner

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:49:40 GMT):
of course you also can stay in the chat and continue exchange here

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:50:54 GMT):
Thx @kristin.eissfeldt !

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:52:49 GMT):
My thought questions on this: How can the awareness be opened that this is a metacrisis/pandemic that affects not only us here in Germany, but worldwide...? In nursing and other social areas working are m.E.N. not or only conditionally in a position to connect many facts that affect their work and accordingly capable of action. In addition, personal attitudes to Covid make this more difficult. What is needed is a contact point to answer questions of those working in care, to deal with them and to accompany them. Translated with (free version)

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:56:34 GMT):
@wolfgang.stief as Stavros Malas could not be with us today, we keep your question in mind and ask him about the study later

wolfgang.stief (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:57:25 GMT):
@kristin.eissfeldt Thank you!

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:58:00 GMT):
@kathleen.engel , would you like to join the breakout session and ask the panelists directly?

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:58:25 GMT):
@kathleen.engel , click on the link above

wolfgang.stief (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:00:00 GMT):
Unfortunately I have to leave now due to time constraints. Have an inspiring discussion! See you next Saturday on AI and robotics.

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:04:17 GMT):
[ ]( Lieber Patrick, Ich habe kein breakoutticket :-) und mein englisch ist nicht gut genug. Kannst Du meine Frage mitnehmen? Das wäre toll. Danke!

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:04:42 GMT):
Dear participants, was something not mentioned or did you discover a blind spot that we should definitely shine a light on?

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:07:59 GMT):
Thx @kathleen.engel ! I'm gonna take the question to the breakout session

gerhard.berthold (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:08:01 GMT):
Cannot enter the room - it says planned for thursday :)

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:08:33 GMT):
Let me fix this ...

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:09:01 GMT):
Here we go:

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:10:00 GMT):
I live in Germany and I think far too many people living here don't realize that a pandemic, metacrisis is about more than their own little here in Germany lives. How can this "small" awareness be expanded, strengthened for everyone in the world? It starts with refugees, and does not end with Covid!

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:11:27 GMT):
That's an important question! What do you think? Where should we start?

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:17:19 GMT):
Dear participants, we're closing now the moderation of the chat. If you would like to join the breakout session with the panelist please klick on this link: 

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:17:49 GMT):
Have a good evening and an inspiring start tomorrow morning!

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:18:19 GMT):
I really don't know. I feel like I'm between two stools. My employers are vaccination refuseniks, many of my colleagues "hangers-on. I keep coming back to the point of creating drop-in centers/counseling centers/citizen points that offer help/information and options to those who want them too! Those who are insecure, get "tangled up" in the social networks and polarize without realizing it themselves.

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:19:56 GMT):
BürgerPunkte schaffen - außerhalb von sozial Media

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:20:09 GMT):
Creating CitizenPoints - outside of social media

patrick.kappeler (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:20:54 GMT):
Good point! How could we make them trustworthy for citizens?

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:34:23 GMT):
Perhaps in which one connects several important topics of the time, refugees, neighborhood help, metacrises - in the sense of Covid, unconditional basic income (here Hartz4 recipients who try to become independent) - complexity management - ecology, nature conservation, climate etc. I'm sure that gives out there, the people! They need only a starting point, as I also! Trustworthiness? hmpf - whether there independent is enough? Means: independent from state and politics? Translated with (free version)

kathleen.engel (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:37:50 GMT):
Politics and government are too slow to achieve results in a timely manner! We have to find ways to reach the people who still want to and can think/act. I work mainly with older people, I try as best I can to bring in my view, sometimes it works, often not. :( But that is another field in which one can still try something.

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 21 Nov 2021 17:34:11 GMT):
for everybody who is interested to join further developing concrete ideas we collected panel discussion on this board

Talk Map on Mural

Have a quick visit on the Mural Whiteboard from Hans for a talk map of the breakout session.