Larnaca Conferences 2021 - Content Record - Conference 8: The future of humankind
Serving a documentation for the Larnaca Conferences in 2021 we provide you an overview with the panelists data, chat excerpts and the recordings of the panel discussion as well as the breakout sessions.
Table of Contents
- Panelists, Moderators and Session-Facilitators
- Panel Discussion Record
- Breakout Session
- Chat Records
Sunday, Nov. 28: "The future of humankind"
Panelists, Moderators and Session-Facilitators
as shown in the graphic above in order from left to right
- Mohan Murti, is Managing Director - Europe of Reliance Industries Limited - among India’s largest private sector company - a Fortune Global 100 company ↗︎
- Clara Wong, Executive Coach and Facilitator of Transfromation as translator for Joanna Liu ↗︎
- Gitta Peyn, systems researcher and cyberneticist, co-developer of FORMWELT and WELTFORM, founder of the FORMWELTen Institute ↗︎
- Kristin Eissfeldt, executive search consultant, coach and facilitator ↗︎
- Barbara Zuber, co-founder of the school-of-facilitating ↗︎
Chat-Expert & Moderator
- Jürgen Große-Puppendahl, seasoned moderator and considered as an organisational and societal catalyst ↗︎
- Hans Kluge, creative nerd, agile project manager and systemic coach ↗︎
- Matthias Steines, Conference Production ↗︎
- Jan Weinkauff, Websites ↗︎
- Dominik Ortelt, Video Editing ↗︎
Prior to every panel discussion and following backstage sessions everyone was obliged to watch the keynote.
Panel Discussion Record
This chat was accompanied by the chat expert and moderator and was attended by the audience not taking part in the backstage sessions.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:45:29 GMT):
*Hello to everyone in this Chat of Larnaca Conference No. 8 - The future of humankind* My name is Jürgen Große-Puppendahl and I am your chat moderator in this conference chat room for the next 120 minutes. *My role is* to observe the process, interactions, contents, time, etiquette, to keep the broad frame of the subject that is The future of humankind in focus and to moderate assumingly a lively, creative, and intelligent process. I am committed to neutrality and not contributing to content.**
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:56:54 GMT):
Hi Jürgen, nice to see you again.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:57:26 GMT):
*Who else is in the room here?* Please say hello to the participants here by writing your first and last name in the chat or by first name and abbreviated last name, e.g. Michael.S Hi Dominik, the delight is on my side also!
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:00:28 GMT):
Hello everybody. Wolfgang Stief from south eastern Germany, close to Austria.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:01:05 GMT):
Thank you and Welcome, Wolfgang, great that we have you here!
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:02:37 GMT):
We are waiting further 3 minutes :-) Before we are going to start the chat dialogue here I'd like to ask you to provide succinct statements in the chat so that we have a rich harvest of many new questions, perspectives, ideas and considerations.
matthias.steines (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:03:00 GMT):
Stream has started -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhQ7JK2bbt8
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:04:19 GMT):
Thanks, Matthias, for providing the live stream!
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:05:21 GMT):
*Starting the chat dialogue:*
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:06:13 GMT):
*- When you look back and sense on the Keynote by Mohan Murti what was striking, amazing or irritating for you?*
matthias.steines (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:10:50 GMT):
Irritating that climate crisis is not the big issue ... that is the same for the corona pandemic which is probably small in relation to climate crisis ...
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:13:49 GMT):
Thank you, Matthias, very interesting. Anyone here sharing her or his ideas on the keynote by Mohan Murti? @wolfgang.stief Wolfgang what were your remarkable takeaways from the keynote at this point of the conference day?
christian.trutz (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:14:27 GMT):
Hello together ????
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:14:48 GMT):
Hi Christian, good to see you again.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:16:48 GMT):
@juergengrosse.puppendahl Sorry, I was busy with the padlet :-) Takeaways from the keynote … I especially liked the quote of Mohans father about running around like headless chickens.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:17:32 GMT):
And I wonder, if "stepping back" and only save energy will be enough for future mankind. It sounds too easy to me.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:18:56 GMT):
Although I personally am a huge advocate of saving energy instead of building more and more renewable energy plants.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:19:48 GMT):
How do others here in the chat consider the last two comments by Wolfgang?
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:24:39 GMT):
To all of you: How does Wolfgang's sight on saving energy instead of building more and more REN plants land with you?
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:25:10 GMT):
Oh, and another interesting statement from the keynote. Towards the end, Mohan mentioned, that social media has changed the meaning of "loved ones" and "friends". I couldn't agree more. I still think about, if this is good or bad for future development.
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:26:03 GMT):
I share Wolfgang's opinion so far. Saving energy seems not enough to me. Yesterday I asked myself the question about factors of survivable organisational systems. I asked myself whether increasing efficiency, for example, is not a clear must given finite resources. This inevitably means learning to get more or at least the same out of less and less. Saving energy can be a factor, but at the same time it also has natural limits. If we focus only on saving, might our species not perish from other things as well? For example, a threat outside our atmosphere: comets, gamma rays, solar storms, etc. I then end up with development instead of winding down, whereas I think we are still stuck in winding down the planet, considering the resources we are devouring.
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:26:45 GMT):
Seems im tired today :)
ulrike.gregor (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:31:15 GMT):
Which book is Clara referring to?
ulrike.gregor (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:31:24 GMT):
Hi from Berlin :-)
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:31:39 GMT):
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:32:40 GMT):
@ulrike.gregor I think a title by Eckhart Tolle. I didn't get the title, though.
bluhumi (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:32:40 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=fgSGHz8dgYGH6Nip7) I guess "The Power of Now" from Eckhart Tolle
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:32:54 GMT):
She is referring to Ekkart Tolle's books "The power of ..."
ulrike.gregor (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:33:01 GMT):
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:34:45 GMT):
The concept development was introduced by Dominik. What may the difference between development as an individual path and greening economies be for societies?
Karin (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:41:41 GMT):
Hi Jürgen and others, nice to see you here again … so, one more place ????.
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:41:42 GMT):
I must honestly say that at this point I am less interested in thinking about individual development than about the framework conditions that enable social development. My fear is that if we focus exclusively on personal development, we will once again capitalise, become esoteric, instead of fundamentally asking ourselves what roles and functions need to be fulfilled to ensure the survival of our species. One result can be that this includes that personal development plays a role - that is, that people are allowed to emancipate themselves, to discover themselves and are aware that this also has limits. namely, as long as this freedom of development does not have a negative effect on the ability to survive.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:42:09 GMT):
So how to convince 8 billion people on earth, that we need a reset …
ulrike.gregor (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:43:07 GMT):
I wonder what it will take us to do this reset and change our way of thinking and acting. Does it need even bigger catastrophes?
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:44:00 GMT):
The limits of printing money? :D
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:46:46 GMT):
At least if you watched the film/documentary oeconomia, one could think that this might happen.
matthias.steines (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:48:11 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=7GbEhk7iCeWSm4dYK) just get a loan and there is the money ;)
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:48:34 GMT):
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:48:53 GMT):
Dont save money, just spend more than you have and we create more money
christian.trutz (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:52:06 GMT):
Is it possible to have the link to break out session again
Karin (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:55:05 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=c99ZLhHsAvAoYQsxX) I understand that and I go along with the points as long as we come to understand that change, learning and performance are based on constructs that others have thought and made for them. The path of emancipation and breaking with conventions is not necessarily the path chosen by oneself if one does not feel enough of oneself and cannot count on social support either. At some point everyone needs feedback and recognition that it is worth doubting conformity because of harmony and terminating conflicts.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:01:17 GMT):
Hi Karin, I was busy with some channel voices ;-)
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:01:36 GMT):
Here I am back for you all in the audience chat.
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:04:29 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=BdNSygqvTc7Nrqoj5) Exactly
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:05:21 GMT):
We are talking about multiple challenges that cut across levels. That's why I don't think it works to focus on just one thing.
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:05:27 GMT):
Like saving energy
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:06:50 GMT):
There were two bright comments by Dominik and Karin. What do you think about "either ... or", meaning either individual development or framework conditions that enable social development?
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:09:43 GMT):
Individual development is already going on, but our current frameworks for social development are still missing I think. They will develop, once individual development gains a critical mass. Not sure, if it's not way too late then.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:11:47 GMT):
On the other hand: it's difficult to enforce frameworks without good and broadly understood reasoning. That's why I think, frameworks need to evolve from a critical mass.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:12:36 GMT):
Well … maybe not the frameworks are missing, but a broad acceptance of such frameworks.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:16:22 GMT):
Doubt was uttered by Wolfgang on the frameworks when enforced.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:16:38 GMT):
What about this thought?
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:17:11 GMT):
What if societies grant their members the freedoms these members want to see for themselves, for their lifes which are negotiated in public discourses and supported by socially constructed arrangements?
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:17:15 GMT):
Of course, it still depends on what we mean by saving energy. But I see it like this: if you don't tackle framework conditions that make it possible to save energy, e.g. that you don't have to drive 150 km to find a job that can pay your living expenses, or that the grain the farmer harvests is driven 400 km because the production costs are cheaper there, or that your income is not sufficient to be able to move into a flat in a house that is energy efficient, then we are hardly gaining anything. not to mention that we rarely talk about the quality of life or the factor of time that has to be there so that we can learn. I would like to see that we have more time for learning, for recognising connections. However, it is sometimes rather the case that time is a luxury that can be earned or obtained in an affluent society and that a person who is excluded, e.g. Harz4, or a person in other countries who is actually struggling to survive, cannot even think about. Under these circumstances, saving energy, for example, plays a completely different role.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:19:34 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=7TJEXCw4eAuS6dEGM) For government this implies to give up power over the society, they think they are responsible for.
wolfgang.stief (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:22:10 GMT):
For Germany I'd like to have a Bundestag with 600 randomly chosen people out of everybody who is interested in taking part. Plus open data for (most) government data, so skilled people can work on this data.
Karin (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:22:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=ZHRiLjs5HWMDajKhy) Not either or. We are dealing with different systems that interact with each other and with their respective environments. Effects between person and social system can be positive for individual X, remain unchanged for individual Y and have negative effects for individual Z. And even siblings who grow up together do not undergo identical individual and personal development. This is viewed in a very simplified way, because I cannot insert it here in more detail or in sufficient context. But for me there is no question that we consider several levels and always first have to clarify the question of which area we want to examine more closely as tiny excerpts from a large whole. Systemics alone are not enough. Just not psychology either.
dominik.ortelt (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:23:43 GMT):
"Not either or" <<< this
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:28:59 GMT):
Wolfgang proposes a different People representation in the German Bundestag plus transparency for (most) government data. And Karin follows a highly differentiated systemic perspective simultaneously *no*t advocating a neglect of psychology either.
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:29:31 GMT):
Are we noticing here the complexity we are in?
juergengrosse.puppendahl (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:36:45 GMT):
Ich schlage vor, dass wir uns alle in die Breakout Session begeben, die unter folgendem Link zu erreichen ist:
Karin (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:51:55 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.larnaca-conferences.org/channel/Day8_Future-of-Humankind?msg=G4Xz25HxpornviXAT) Yes, this would require a fundamental discussion and questioning of the values according to which we define success and performance and make decisions in modern cultures. So is it more important to us to make quick profits or to have a good long-term livelihood? If we want wealth in material things and everything in terms of consumption to be readily available and we accept that resources will be worn out. Or are we satisfied with less and recognize the wealth in what we can be and become and make better use of the resources that we have at our disposal? Somewhere between these polarities we have to find our truth again and again, what is now significant, important and right. And of course we have to have the foresight and teach people how to take the foresight and ascribe a personally relevant meaning to things that only become noticeable in the long term. Because only today can be influenced what could become critical later. What Dominik says, this learning and exploration can and may, such framework conditions fundamentally change the way we act. We could achieve more on a societal level if more such initiatives spread out in a self-organized manner. We could no longer just react to events as short-sighted people at a snail's pace, but instead establish new learning spaces and forms of learning independently of politics, government and centrally regulated education systems. There are already some initiatives and good examples in the social area where people can have new experiences outside of their conformity systems. Wherever they offend, are allowed to show themselves unsure, where inadequacies are given space to be communicated, in order to be able to understand gaps in knowledge and problems. Because they have internalized altruism there and help people unconditionally. Unfortunately, everything is based on voluntary work, there is also a problem of a lack of appreciation and recognition, low investment in professionalization, especially where it matters for individuals and society. But honestly: where else, if not in the social and therapeutic area, do people learn that they can be done without having expectations of a certain behavior every time, how they do it "right" or how it would be right? Where do you learn systematically professional problem-solving skills for current and future challenges? That is the basic evil. We carry socially standardized expectations and pass them on instead of creating another image. People feel incompetent and insecure when they don't know something or have done something wrong. That is normal. As a child you are at best consoled, as an adult you are looked at crookedly at best. It is punished with devaluation and for many people learning has a negative connotation through the school system. And when people from their surroundings keep mirroring that these are wrong feelings, thoughts and behavior, they can learn that they are wrong as a person. You just don't work or perform properly if you still have to learn something. I often come across this premise ...
Karin (Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:55:09 GMT):
Ich hab die Breakout-Runde verpasst, Anruf von Eltern zum 1. Advent … Tja, also wir sind ja quervernetzt alle irgendwie miteinander verbunden, lasst uns doch gerne dranbleiben und etwas daraus machen. Ich wünsche Euch für heute noch einen schönen Abend.
Backstage Session Chat
17:02:49 From Hans Kluge : https://app.mural.co/t/hansklugede5698/m/hansklugede5698/1638108729705/e80491ead6535aa81ad6fdfb7fe0125a9944dff5?sender=hallo6657
17:12:38 From Christian Trutz : We need some sort of crisis, new sort of crisis?
17:15:15 From Iulian Bondari : Dr. Karambu Ringera, what is your opinion about this struggle of science and metaphysics in the future of humanity? Do you think we will find a way to connect them, or will they separate completely and understand a single path? Because it is one of the big problems that keep us destabilized in society. I don't want to get into a discussion of "religion" but strictly science and metaphysics.
17:15:57 From Kristin : Unfortunately Dr. Ringera did not make it today to join us until now
17:17:06 From Kristin : Welcome again Iulian!
17:17:10 From Ulrike Gregor : Clara, you mentioned your executive coaching. What do you experience there? In how far do you deal with these topics in your coachings?
17:17:14 From Iulian Bondari : Oh, now I have seen who is online. then, I will hand over the question to Mohan Murti, if possible. Thank you!
17:17:54 From Paul Thomes : ürgen Große-Puppendahl invited me. We need a groundbreaking global inclusive definition of wealth: the global west reducing its claims in favour of the so called developping countries, the latter being enabled to leapfrogging. It is the only change to stop global warming, too. For instance the westen electrification path is highly imperialistic, explouting develeopping societies in terms of resources and production . The latter shifted to those counries to improve the own Carbon dioxide balance.
17:18:13 From Ulrike Gregor : Mohan Murti, in how far do you raise these topics in your company?
17:18:53 From Gitta : Yes! Both, science and religions function is dealing with the Unditermined
17:20:08 From Gitta : @Paul Thomas: I think it might be best if you read your Statement. Not all read the Chat, so it will get lost.
17:21:46 From Kristin : @Ulrike you are invited raising qur Questions directly at time it suits you
17:21:48 From Iulian Bondari : CERN*
17:35:32 From Christian Trutz : Why are we all so addicted to material things? Is that some kind of insecurity in us?
17:36:49 From Dominik Ortelt : @Christian - One reason may be, because you and I live the history and stories told to us without raising some fundamental questions
17:37:10 From Paul Thomes : You cited the big picture: We have to implement those global concepts in the curricula of schools and universities immediately - in spite of and to fight growing nationalist approaches. They do not foster global needs. Individual Awareness is needed urgently indeed. A difficult change process indeed. giving up though is not an alternative.
17:43:53 From Kristin : Welcome Jürgen and Wolfgang
17:46:30 From Iulian Bondari : However, at the micro level, it's just chemical reactions that we need to control. I think it's mostly about the reward. We need to replace the material reward with a much more creative one.
17:48:53 From Gitta : Iulian, you nailed it! Body chemistry Plays an important role when it Comes to Change: it often hinders Change to come to life, because People are not only progressive but also conservative.
17:51:20 From Christian Trutz : Iulian we need more "drugs" in a positive way
17:51:53 From Dominik Ortelt : dont know why, but whenever i read "control of chemical reactions" I remember the film equilibrium - taking pills to control emotions - a chemical process. that idea ofc is counter intuitive and takes the essence out of a living systems. the question is then maybe again how to become more conscious about when showing, releasing emotions is functional? i dont know. just thinking loud and asking myself questions
17:53:25 From Iulian Bondari : :)) that 2...or we need to bend our mint into a new mindset and a new perspective about society. "Change a person's environment and you will change his behavior" .. and with the behavior come the rest. Give people new tools, more creative tools.
17:53:45 From Dominik Ortelt : agree on that one
17:54:04 From Dominik Ortelt : maybe im also biased - TVP :P
17:54:57 From Paul Thomes : Aren't we all biased? Permanent bliss might create unhappiness.
17:55:06 From Ulrike Gregor : New tools need a certain open-mindedness. A bit of a vicious circle, I think.
17:55:07 From Dominik Ortelt : thanks Paul
17:55:39 From Dominik Ortelt : we are, therefore we also have a social need and the possibility to reflect and also criticise
17:56:03 From Kristin : @Paul Thomes - definitely we are - almost all the time in a certain way
17:56:11 From Christian Trutz : BLIS = survive?
17:56:17 From Christian Trutz : survive
17:56:18 From Ulrike Gregor : how to become more conscious about when showing, releasing emotions is functional ––> that is too close to simple machine thinking, I think.
17:56:41 From Gitta : Bliss meint im Deutschen auch "Segen"
17:56:55 From Markus Blumenthal : Glückseligkeit
17:57:07 From Iulian Bondari : Mindset must be created through experience, or to be more effective, must be taught as education to children, fresh minds. (of course, taught by competent people). So the next level we dig would be education.
17:57:27 From Kristin : thank you Markus, that`s it
17:58:23 From Dominik Ortelt : That is also by far the experience i made when practicing scientific thinking together with people. the change happens through doing and experiencing what happens as you go. telling, advocating, preaching - has their limits
18:00:05 From Jürgen Große-Puppendahl : Is serenity also applicable instead of bliss, Mr. Murti? Serenity as a peaceful state in the body and a clear mind?
18:00:12 From Paul Thomes : Yes, Gitta: Bliss itself is not an inclusive approach, I think, because it works without changing structures and dependencies.
18:00:21 From Christian Trutz : Gitta I love clarity of mind ????
18:01:03 From Gitta : Yes, Paul: That led me to my reference of spirituality: Living a helpful life.
18:01:42 From Gitta : Thanks, Christian.
18:02:15 From Iulian Bondari : I'm so sorry here. I'm not alone here. There's quite a lot of noise here where I am.
18:02:29 From Iulian Bondari : here x3 :))
18:02:37 From Kristin : Thanks for telling Iulian
18:07:44 From Iulian Bondari : I have learned that in order to create a future, to change something, we do not need everyone.
18:09:19 From Iulian Bondari : Cabbage does not grow well with broccoli, cauliflower, strawberries and tomatoes, but you can plant it with beans, celery, cucumbers, dill, lettuce, onions, potatoes, spinach, sage and thyme. Same with people ...
18:09:39 From Christian Trutz : The mix of Eastern and Western philosophy reminds me of Kahneman’s fast (eastern) and slow (western) thinking
18:10:27 From Gitta : Iulian, I love your veggie reference!
18:11:12 From Gitta : Christian, there is no way to implement eastern thinking into western societies without understanding how western cultures and minds work first.
18:14:02 From Paul Thomes : Absolutely right, reverse, too. :)
18:14:33 From Gitta : Yes!
18:18:00 From Paul Thomes : Had all of us a critical inner observer, the world would be different = hack education/culture ...
18:18:51 From Kristin : Thank you Mr. Thomes, totally agree
18:19:02 From Gitta : Absolutely, Paul Thomas!
18:19:59 From Gitta : Sorry, "Thomes" it is
18:23:28 From Iulian Bondari : Q: Mr. Mohan Murti, you remind me of Sadhguru, which I am a big fan of. And I think you gained one here. I am quite familiar with the history of India and its culture, gods, etc. There are some similarities between those writing / stories and current science. But wouldn't it be beneficial and efficient for everyone to tell them 'by name', not to use them as stories and not turn them into real characters, instead learni what is needed from them? Again, I will return to an objective perspective, and I would like an answer as well, maybe with a little spice on top. Because we have to adapt to the future. A systematic and useful thinking.
18:33:03 From Gitta : When you walk the Alps, you walk petrified life: Lime sandstone, shell residue, etc.
18:34:01 From Wolfgang Stief : My concentration decreases rapidly, therefore I’ll leave now. Thanks for the interesting discussion!
18:34:13 From Gitta : Thank you for being with us, Wolfgang!
18:34:54 From Gitta : As Long as we create dependency structures, opportunism and corruption will be a Problem.
18:35:10 From Dominik Ortelt : Agree Gitta
18:36:02 From Christian Trutz : how to work together without structures?
18:36:38 From Christian Trutz : dependency structures
18:36:42 From Iulian Bondari : Honestly, I don't think I know a complex system of modern society that is 100% functional.
18:37:17 From Iulian Bondari : A part is always missing somewhere, and the system becomes defective. (by default)
18:37:40 From Christian Trutz : I agree Iulian, you always have some sort of corruption and inefficiencies
18:39:50 From Jürgen Große-Puppendahl : A question for Ms. Clara Wong; How do you set up projects in China which are considered conducive for the futures of humankind (epistemology, decision making processes, realizations, epistemology …)?
18:39:55 From Iulian Bondari : We call it "educational system", but it is far from complete and no one changes it, but their problem is to change the person driving the cart. It is not the driver of the cart that is the problem, but the square wheels.
18:41:36 From Gitta : Yes, Iulian!
18:46:34 From Paul Thomes : Yes, let us implement explicit common weal orientated thinking; with a realistic chance to enhance her/himself, including incentives … give us mind food. Thanks for giving me the chance to take part.
18:46:49 From Paul Thomes : Feel free to contact me. PT
18:47:22 From Kristin : Thank you Mr Thomes, we will do that
18:48:59 From Gitta : "Give us mind Food" Love it!
18:50:02 From Hans : https://app.mural.co/t/hansklugede5698/m/hansklugede5698/1638108729705/e80491ead6535aa81ad6fdfb7fe0125a9944dff5?sender=hallo6657
18:55:22 From Gitta : Yesterday Iulian shared this Quote with us: we are so busy with being great we forgot how to be good.
18:59:24 From Christian Trutz : I learned today that I am a western person
18:59:25 From Iulian Bondari : Wish you all the best!
18:59:28 From Markus Blumenthal : thx everybody
Talk Map on Mural
During the Backstage Session (Breakout), Hans tried to draw the ideas and outputs of the session on a Mural.