Larnaca Conferences 2021 - Content Record - Conference 4: Mass Migration

Serving a documentation for the Larnaca Conferences in 2021 we provide you an overview with the panelists data, chat excerpts and the recordings of the panel discussion as well as the breakout sessions.

Sunday, Nov. 14: "Mass Migration And Social Identity Conflicts"

Panelists, Moderators and Session-Facilitators

as shown in the graphic above in order from left to right

  • Thomas Henry, Change Agent ↗︎

  • Tamara Laine, Emmy Award-winning journalist and producer ↗︎

  • Dickson Ntwiga, International Council for Education ↗︎

  • Gitta Peyn, systems researcher and cyberneticist, co-developer of FORMWELT and WELTFORM, founder of the FORMWELTen Institute ↗︎


  • Hans Kluge, creative nerd, agile project manager and systemic coach ↗︎

  • Rebekka Manos, Consultant for Leadership, Transformation and Mindfulness ↗︎

Chat-Expert & Moderator

  • Mark Damon Harvey, D&I consultant and workshop leader at Transculture, Co-founder of ↗︎

  • Sören Krüger, Scrum Master ↗︎

Session Facilitation

  • Barbara Zuber, co-founder of the school-of-facilitating ↗︎

Technical Realisation

  • Matthias Steines, Conference Production ↗︎

  • Jan Weinkauff, Websites ↗︎

  • Dominik Ortelt, Video Editing ↗︎


Prior to every panel discussion and following backstage sessions everyone was obliged to watch the keynote.

Panel Discussion Record

Breakout Session With Tamara Laine & Dickson Ntwiga

Breakout Session With Thomas Henry & Gitta Peyn

Chat Records

Audience Chat

This chat was accompanied by the chat expert and moderator and was attended by the audience not taking part in the backstage sessions

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:00:26 GMT):
Hi Everybody Welcome in the name of Larnaca Conference to our chat room. My name is Mark Damon Harvey and will be your expert for the topics: Mass migration and social identity conflicts. My professional connection to the above, is as follows: I was an external knowledge management consultant in development cooperation for: an independent consulting agency, the Swiss Federal Agency for Development and Cooperation and Helvetas, Switzerland. I was also a project manager for integration projects focused on the African Diaspora for the city and the canton of Zurich and taught refugee children in a primary school. I continue to consult on permaculture and diversity issues and lead anti-prejudice and anti-racism workshops.

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:01:42 GMT):
Session started: 

dominik.ortelt (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:02:53 GMT):
Hello everyone

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:05:01 GMT):
Talking about the Keynote: what impressed you the most? What new perspectives have emerged for you?

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:06:25 GMT):
Dickson's extensive experience!

bluhumi (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:08:56 GMT):
We have to go on together not against eachother. So let's create those open spaces for everyone to bring this massive vitality out of diversity to a creative power.

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:16:42 GMT):
Has joined the channel.

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:16:42 GMT):
We have to be aware: each of us could come in a situation where we need help/support/protection

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:24:12 GMT):
Listening to all Panalists: which aspect do you still see which has not been discussed here yet?

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:24:58 GMT):
The perspectives skewed here already. The perspective of the out-cultures is one of demanding recognition by the reference (global north/western) culture. Generalization to the point of us becoming a whole will require that the reference culture loses it's mirror. The out-cultures or the subaltern have the job of convincing the reference culture that they are also on this planet, that there are other perspectives and in particular, other cultural sources of knowledge production. There is a lot of work to do.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:25:35 GMT):
Hear hear Gitta!

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:30:16 GMT):
What opportunities do you see to create understanding in a privileged society (apart from this event)?

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:40:10 GMT):
I think that the out-cultures will have to drive the education and awareness raising that the reference culture needs to humanize. I don't see the desire coming from themselves appreciably and why should it? It's up to the out-cultures. The problem is that they are already so beaten down and are hard to inspire them to do that. It has to be made clear to the reference culture that their indifference is forcing the out-cultures to again sacrifice their energy and this time to educate them.

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:42:48 GMT):
I work mainly with older people (70+). I observe that the older they are, war children, the more they reject stranger(s), e.g. refugees. :( I ask why? The answers are varied, "no one helped us either, we were starving, had nothing to eat....

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:45:25 GMT):
My personal contribution to intercultural exchange is my artwork. i have exhibited in many countries and i am in constant contact with artists from other countries.

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:47:44 GMT):
How can you open up another perspective for these people? @kathleen.engel Very few actually have contact with migrants (as far as I can tell).

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:50:47 GMT):
that greate @andreas.schwietzke and I think getting in contact with other cultures and other livestyles is one key

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:52:25 GMT):
The surprising thing is that I have never encountered racist attitudes.

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:52:41 GMT):
@kathleen.engel I observe that in the German population a difference is made whether someone has fled because of a war (Syria) or comes for reasons of wanting to participate in economic prosperity

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:53:18 GMT):
Eat with them.

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:54:11 GMT):
also my experience, working in a local NGO for refugee`s help

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:54:11 GMT):
Good question. Sometimes the story helps, because they were "liberated" by strangers, sometimes it helps when they do not want to enter a store because a stranger is working there, to accompany them and to show, they are people like them. Sometimes it also helps if I tell about what I have experienced while working with refugees. Everyone except Germans is always lumped together. Only stories and my own experiences can help.

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:55:34 GMT):
Yes, Kristin, I have worked in both government-run refugee shelters and refugee aid societies.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:55:56 GMT):
Andreas, where do you live?

kristin.eissfeldt (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:56:08 GMT):
Yes, it is a difference talking about "these refugees" by watching TV or talking to someone eye to eye - why is it so difficult to see each other just as humans? Children are able to do that

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:56:33 GMT):
Currently in Germany

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:57:39 GMT):
[ ]( that's right, but in the end it doesn't make any difference in dealing with the issue

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:58:16 GMT):
No racism? Really?

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:58:56 GMT):
Probably because I and my pictures don't allow it.

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:01:53 GMT):
My girlfriend is a woman of colour and often she is telling me that she is facing racism while iam with there (Voice pitches, looks). However, I do not have an eye for this and am therefore also critical how and when one can recognize racism

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:02:35 GMT):
when I never faced it by myself

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:02:51 GMT):
What was also important about what Dickson said was what is happening at the Polish border. It means that Europeans are basically doing it to their own...

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:04:30 GMT):
Mark, can you please give the link to Zoom?

franziska.seibel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:04:50 GMT):
We also, I think, often underestimate our vulnerability to racism that is not associated with conscious actions and statements.

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:06:39 GMT):

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:07:15 GMT):
Racist behaviors are totally ritualized. For the people targeted, it's usually instantly recognizable. Again the perspectives skew here. If you have been subjected to it since childhood you usually don't get wrong because you have been trained to do so. That being said, it is absolutely logical that people haven't experienced it, miss it most of the time.

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:08:40 GMT):
Our Expert mark.harvey will be still here for having a communication about the topic ???? Also for questions and all stuff :)

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:10:37 GMT):
[ ]( I agree. I think it's a German attitude, incomprehensible as it may be. I don't think Syrians, Iraqis, etc. have this racist attitude towards Germans. They have a different understanding, a different culture of foreign. But yes, it also happens to me that I cringe when I am directly confronted with a certain nationality. But that comes from my experiences in the asylum home with the most diverse nationalities. Translated with (free version)

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:10:58 GMT):
Following on from yesterday's discussion, would it not be a sensible approach to promote foreign language teaching for children and young people unconditionally? And to demand regular subsidised school exchanges with foreign countries?

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:12:37 GMT):
In this way, in the long run, the national mindset could be given room for an international sensibility.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:14:58 GMT):
Kathleen, racism entails an economic and social advantage on the part of the racist party, otherwise it's prejudice. There are certainly enough Syrians and Iraqis that are prejudiced against the Germans, but this is not racism.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:17:58 GMT):
I believe that the reference culture usually dictates the ritualistic behaviors that the out-cultures experience. I myself work with interventions that are designed to cut this connection and return people to independent thinking...

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:23:02 GMT):
Andreas, I believe teaching critical thinking and candid histories would be a great help. For example, juxtaposing eurocentric knowledge production and attitudes with that of other cultures. For example, things like (land) ownership.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:25:07 GMT):
Sören, what's the status?

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:26:15 GMT):
First Breakout Session is ongoing. We will open the second breakout session for everyone here for 18:00 Since there the chat can still be used :)

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:26:19 GMT):
I agree with that without reservation! I just think that the possibilities of a direct exchange with other cultures opens the way for a greater openness and self-understanding in dealing with the "foreign".

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:26:26 GMT):
[ ]( yes, if the reference culture dictates, the behaviors (German) are at least understandable at first. What you are doing sounds good and logical. :)

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:28:19 GMT):
Mark Harvey, and how can we implement this in Germany and globally?

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:28:48 GMT):
[ ]( yes, if the reference culture dictates, the behaviors (German) are at least understandable at first. What you are doing sounds good and logical.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:30:52 GMT):
Andreas. I agree but socializing can't replace the need to educate. I have a lot of contact with young people that think if they are open and good, it's enough. It isn't, because you have to understand the mechanics. Otherwise you mean well, but still reproduce behaviors without knowing it.

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:35:23 GMT):
No, certainly not. But who is supposed to do this educational work?

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:35:58 GMT):
First of all, the underlying structures have to be made understandable. Second, analyzing day-to-day microaggressions (language and behavior) helps people reflect on what is being communicated (subtext).

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:37:36 GMT):
This is already understandable to me Mark, but who specifically teaches this attention?

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:42:12 GMT):
To tell you the truth, I have been looking for others for sometime now, but haven't found anyone else doing it that way besides me.

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:42:44 GMT):
I myself am severely disabled, which you can see, for example, in the way I walk. It is only since this disability that I have noticed the little things, such as strange looks, lack of assistance when entering buildings, etc. How can you achieve this sensitivity for these small deficiencies in someone who is not disabled?

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:51:48 GMT):
On a generic level, the reference culture "others" everyone that is not its constructed image, the disabled, queer, black, old, overweight etc. The individual contextual (intersection) is just added on top. The disabled have to deal with being ignored in particular.

franziska.seibel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:52:04 GMT):
Marginalized groups should come together. As long as that doesn't happen, there will always be the norm and many small groups that deviate from the supposed norm. That feeds racism, sexism, ableism. If we talked to each other more, we could all agree more quickly that the norm doesn't exist. And maybe we in the Western world should get used to the idea that we can be privileged and non-privileged at the same time. And learn how to argue and discuss and still respect each other at the same time.

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:55:23 GMT):
We invite you all to participate in the second breakout session with our experts. Start: 18.00 Link: 

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:57:09 GMT):
[ ]( yes yes yes Franziska - I experience those in need of care in really difficult life situations as just as Mark describes, belonging to the culture of reference and they cannot recognize that there is something even worse, something else, something foreign, which also belongs to us.

kathleen.engel (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:58:01 GMT):
@Mark, I would like to thank you for this chat. Your thoughts go deep and I will think about it longer and I am grateful to be able to contribute a little more to the conferences today. Thank you

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:58:34 GMT):
Yes, the norm is just another construct. That was really the result of the Black Lives Matter eruption last year in the US. Most of the large organizations that pledged this or that, have since then effectively walked back their promises leaving their Diversity and Inclusion designates between a rock and a hard place. But there has been a marked increase in out-cultures expressly supporting each other now.

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:59:28 GMT):
Thank you Franziska! Are you joining us?

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:59:38 GMT):
But the biggest problem is the lack of interest. Those who are not affected live their lives as they are accustomed to and as it is presented to them by the majority. I have had many discussions about this topic, also out of my own concern. In these discussions, everyone always agreed that more needs to be done, but after the discussion, normal life begins again as it was before. So what can be done to bring about lasting change?

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:01:17 GMT):
You can find the Breakout Session Lins here: Link: ... Join us for more interessting discussions :)

mark.harvey (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:02:09 GMT):
Andreas are you coming too?

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:02:53 GMT):
No, unfortunately not! I still have to work. I'm sorry.

andreas.schwietzke (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:04:52 GMT):
A big thank you to all! It has been a great pleasure!

soeren.krueger (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:05:33 GMT):
I hope you all enjoyed it that much as I did! Have a nice rest of the weekend! :)

matthias.steines (Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:06:15 GMT):
@soeren.krueger Thanks, you too

testuser-0 (Fri, 19 Nov 2021 08:54:43 GMT):
Has joined the channel.

Breakout Session Chat Dickson & Tamara

17:18:02 From Matthias Steines : Questions is the climate catastrophe a threat to world peace
17:21:49 From Rebekka Manos : resource scarcity?
17:28:57 From Hans Kluge : examples for moving —> migration due to climate change?
17:42:23 From Okoth Norbat Oduka : hi
17:43:07 From Rebekka Manos : Hi Okoth, would you like to join the conversation?
17:46:16 From Rebekka Manos : do you have any questions for our panelists? You can also type them into the chat
17:49:08 From Tamara Laine :
17:52:08 From Eva-Maria Oswald : thank you very much
18:16:03 From Okoth Norbat Oduka : could I get the meeting link?
18:16:24 From Hans Kluge : which meeting link?
18:16:37 From Kristin Eissfeldt : from the other session?
18:16:52 From Okoth Norbat Oduka : for this session
18:17:07 From Kristin Eissfeldt :
18:17:19 From Okoth Norbat Oduka : thank you
18:17:27 From Kristin Eissfeldt : you`re welcome
18:27:12 From Mike Papaiacovou : I have this plan that is the solution to the problems that I need funding to solve, please have a look at!AkaUoEE6Lx-o6UZDHLqvie-6L-JL and tell me how it can succeed or where I am wrong. Please.
18:28:24 From Hans Kluge :
18:46:36 From Mike Papaiacovou : can you see it?
18:47:04 From Hans Kluge : yes.
18:47:09 From Hans Kluge : :-)
18:47:27 From Kristin Eissfeldt : thank you very much Mike
18:48:34 From Mike Papaiacovou : thank you :)
18:53:28 From Heike Abt : not moralic